Apple chose to allocate 4 PCI lanes to the NVMe solid state drive, 4 PCI lanes to the left Thunderbolt 3 ports, 2 PCI lanes to the right Thunderbolt 3 ports, and 1 PCI lane to the wireless card. In the 2018 refresh, Intel has U processors that can provide up to 16 PCI lanes. Earlier this week, the repair experts at iFixit opened up the 2018 MacBook Pro, uncovering Intel's new JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 controller, introduced earlier this year as part of its 'Titan Ridge.
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How To Use Thunderbolt For Macbook Pro
- AppleInsider said:
...owners of the 15-inch MacBook Pro will want to look at docks with at least 87 Watts of power delivery through a single connection in order to properly charge their Mac.
This is not strictly true. The MBP 15 charges just fine with only 60 watts available. It takes a bit longer than 87 watts, but surprisingly, not a huge amount. If you need 30 minutes of charge, it might take 45 @60w - I've been waiting on the Henge thunderbolt 3 dock for some time. But it seems to have disappeared from their web site recently (in the past couple of days), leaving only the USB Type-C dock in its place. Very disappointing. The second choice that my office has gone with is the Kensington dock.
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It'll charge with 15W. But, the issue is more with putting the system under load and drawing power from USB-PD in full rather than from both the battery and the connection.AppleInsider said:
...owners of the 15-inch MacBook Pro will want to look at docks with at least 87 Watts of power delivery through a single connection in order to properly charge their Mac.
This is not strictly true. The MBP 15 charges just fine with only 60 watts available. It takes a bit longer than 87 watts, but surprisingly, not a huge amount. If you need 30 minutes of charge, it might take 45 @60w
You're not wrong -- but if you're going to hammer the machine at all, get a 87W one.
Oh, and a note for dedicated forumers -- the table of all the docks displays better on the main page. Blame the forum software for this one. - Why wasn't the OWC Travel Dock included? It offers just about everything I would need for connectivity to my 13' MBP sans TouchBar:
2 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 (Standard-A) Ports
USB-C Auxiliary Power Port (up to 60W)
SD Card Reader (UHS-II)
HDMI 2.0 Port
Supports 4K display resolution – up to 4096 x 2160 at 30Hz
Available in silver, rose gold and space gray
All this for only $49. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/owc-usb-c-travel-dock?_ga=2.66191917.2045698634.1509926845-1334197059.1497251369 - What ever happened to the OWC DEC for the new MBP?
Because it's not a Thunderbolt 3 dock.Why wasn't the OWC Travel Dock included? It offers just about everything I would need for connectivity to my 13' MBP sans TouchBar:
2 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 (Standard-A) Ports
USB-C Auxiliary Power Port (up to 60W)
SD Card Reader (UHS-II)
HDMI 2.0 Port
Supports 4K display resolution – up to 4096 x 2160 at 30Hz
Available in silver, rose gold and space gray
All this for only $49. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/owc-usb-c-travel-dock?_ga=2.66191917.2045698634.1509926845-1334197059.1497251369
I ordered the same as well and since I haven't gotten one in a year, I got my money back.I've been waiting on the Henge thunderbolt 3 dock for some time. But it seems to have disappeared from their web site recently (in the past couple of days), leaving only the USB Type-C dock in its place. Very disappointing. The second choice that my office has gone with is the Kensington dock.- For the price, the Mantix eGPU option is pretty tempting. The main problem for me, is the noise level (looking back at that article/review). To get the other ports, I'd have the noise all the time even when I didn't need the GPU... so to avoid that, I'd have to disconnect it, and then need another dock anyway. Bummer.
I wonder if there would be some way to create an eGPU with a pass-through type operation and ports like the docks. Then you'd have the best of both worlds, and could enable the GPU only when necessary. - OWC seems to have the best solution, as usual. They really put big names like Belkin to shame.
- Looks like AI is becoming more MacWorld-like, criticizing a Mac-supplier that's second to none in OWC. OWC makes great hardware and their Thunderbolt docks are no exception. Saying we need to rebuy disks that don't include the latest interfaces is ridiculous. Yes, USB3 has been around for awhile but that doesn't mean we haven't already purchased lots of drives with data on them we want to keep without having to purchase brand new disk cabinets that cost two to three times what we spent on the perfectly working drives we have now. As long as we didn't purchase Seagate drives, our drives are still working. Having FW800 on a dock is a plus, it means we don't have to buy an adapter to connect to the dock. If you don't want to use then fine, but don't criticize OWC for including it. OWC also has fair pricing, something Belkin never seems to provide. Finally, OWC's hardware design has been getting much better over the years and their latest TB3 dock simply looks better than any of the others.
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There is no criticism of OWC here, regardless of your inference. There are just realities about FireWire and eSATA technologies five and a half years after Apple released the last piece of gear with the former technology.Looks like AI is becoming more MacWorld-like, criticizing a Mac-supplier that's second to none in OWC. OWC makes great hardware and their Thunderbolt docks are no exception. Saying we need to rebuy disks that don't include the latest interfaces is ridiculous. Yes, USB3 has been around for awhile but that doesn't mean we haven't already purchased lots of drives with data on them we want to keep without having to purchase brand new disk cabinets that cost two to three times what we spent on the perfectly working drives we have now. As long as we didn't purchase Seagate drives, our drives are still working. Having FW800 on a dock is a plus, it means we don't have to buy an adapter to connect to the dock. If you don't want to use then fine, but don't criticize OWC for including it. OWC also has fair pricing, something Belkin never seems to provide. Finally, OWC's hardware design has been getting much better over the years and their latest TB3 dock simply looks better than any of the others.I note you didn't complain about 'criticism' of CalDigit.I wrote the review of the OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock. I liked it (other than the 60W as a 15-inch MBP owner) and said so. But -- if you got drives just as the technology was put out to pasture with the 2012 RMBP, you're playing with fire with five-year-old drives. And, there's a very good chance that if you're using FW800, those drives are a decade old.
As usual, you didn't read the article.Great review. Bring more eSATA docks.
No idea. We've been asking.What ever happened to the OWC DEC for the new MBP?
Not a good chance at all. I recently updated to a late 2015 iMac, giving my perfectly usable 2009 iMac to my wife. Since my old iMac didn't have USB3, FW800 was the fastest alternative so I continued to buy OWC drives, some with USB3 and FW800 so I'd be able to use whatever interface I could on my current equipment. I don't have any drives seven years old (maybe one) and I bought a TB2 OWC dock so I could connect the drives I had, using both USB3 and eSATA (whichever was the fastest interface on the drive). I could have waited for the latest iMacs but my heavily used 2009 iMac was showing signs of losing the GPU. I reflowed the GPU (carefully with a heat gun) and it's working better than before but bought a newer one anyway (refurb through OWC) to make sure I wasn't without anything. Even though some of my drive mechanisms are older, doesn't mean I haven't replaced the drives inside. I did that to get rid of Seagate drives when they would only last 5 mins (yes, sarcasm but they would die in a year or two). Not everyone has to have all the latest and greatest hardware, especially when prices seem to be going up not down.
There is no criticism of OWC here, regardless of your inference. There are just realities about FireWire and eSATA technologies five and a half years after Apple released the last piece of gear with the former technology.Looks like AI is becoming more MacWorld-like, criticizing a Mac-supplier that's second to none in OWC. OWC makes great hardware and their Thunderbolt docks are no exception. Saying we need to rebuy disks that don't include the latest interfaces is ridiculous. Yes, USB3 has been around for awhile but that doesn't mean we haven't already purchased lots of drives with data on them we want to keep without having to purchase brand new disk cabinets that cost two to three times what we spent on the perfectly working drives we have now. As long as we didn't purchase Seagate drives, our drives are still working. Having FW800 on a dock is a plus, it means we don't have to buy an adapter to connect to the dock. If you don't want to use then fine, but don't criticize OWC for including it. OWC also has fair pricing, something Belkin never seems to provide. Finally, OWC's hardware design has been getting much better over the years and their latest TB3 dock simply looks better than any of the others.I note you didn't complain about 'criticism' of CalDigit.I wrote the review of the OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock. I liked it (other than the 60W as a 15-inch MBP owner) and said so. But -- if you got drives just as the technology was put out to pasture with the 2012 RMBP, you're playing with fire with five-year-old drives. And, there's a very good chance that if you're using FW800, those drives are a decade old.
I don't disagree with your 'latest and greatest' assessment, and it's good that you're replacing the drives. Like I said in the article, I get where you're coming from about old hardware.
Not a good chance at all. I recently updated to a late 2015 iMac, giving my perfectly usable 2009 iMac to my wife. Since my old iMac didn't have USB3, FW800 was the fastest alternative so I continued to buy OWC drives, some with USB3 and FW800 so I'd be able to use whatever interface I could on my current equipment. I don't have any drives seven years old (maybe one) and I bought a TB2 OWC dock so I could connect the drives I had, using both USB3 and eSATA (whichever was the fastest interface on the drive). I could have waited for the latest iMacs but my heavily used 2009 iMac was showing signs of losing the GPU. I reflowed the GPU (carefully with a heat gun) and it's working better than before but bought a newer one anyway (refurb through OWC) to make sure I wasn't without anything. Even though some of my drive mechanisms are older, doesn't mean I haven't replaced the drives inside. I did that to get rid of Seagate drives when they would only last 5 mins (yes, sarcasm but they would die in a year or two). Not everyone has to have all the latest and greatest hardware, especially when prices seem to be going up not down.
There is no criticism of OWC here, regardless of your inference. There are just realities about FireWire and eSATA technologies five and a half years after Apple released the last piece of gear with the former technology.Looks like AI is becoming more MacWorld-like, criticizing a Mac-supplier that's second to none in OWC. OWC makes great hardware and their Thunderbolt docks are no exception. Saying we need to rebuy disks that don't include the latest interfaces is ridiculous. Yes, USB3 has been around for awhile but that doesn't mean we haven't already purchased lots of drives with data on them we want to keep without having to purchase brand new disk cabinets that cost two to three times what we spent on the perfectly working drives we have now. As long as we didn't purchase Seagate drives, our drives are still working. Having FW800 on a dock is a plus, it means we don't have to buy an adapter to connect to the dock. If you don't want to use then fine, but don't criticize OWC for including it. OWC also has fair pricing, something Belkin never seems to provide. Finally, OWC's hardware design has been getting much better over the years and their latest TB3 dock simply looks better than any of the others.I note you didn't complain about 'criticism' of CalDigit.I wrote the review of the OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock. I liked it (other than the 60W as a 15-inch MBP owner) and said so. But -- if you got drives just as the technology was put out to pasture with the 2012 RMBP, you're playing with fire with five-year-old drives. And, there's a very good chance that if you're using FW800, those drives are a decade old.I wish I could say that enclosures are forever, and speeds are always viable, but if you're looking at a $1500+ computer, and a $300 dock, then the $300 dock money might be better spent on a USB 3.0 or 3.1 type C enclosure to get the best speeds possible out of the newer drives -- and with a Gigabit wired network and a NAS case you may actually get similar speeds and more flexibility for the same money.- CalDigit TS-3 is nice in that it's the only dock you can stand on it's side to save some desk space.
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Velcro.CalDigit TS-3 is nice in that it's the only dock you can stand on it's side to save some desk space.Also, you can get a plate for the Kensington dock to attach to a VESA mount either in use or idle to hang it off a display.
I'm going to velcro the ports I may want to use to the back of my monitor? Granted ethernet and my monitor cables don't change much but occasionally I do want to plug in a drive. I'm not a big fan of the iMac having all of its ports on the back either.
Velcro.CalDigit TS-3 is nice in that it's the only dock you can stand on it's side to save some desk space.Also, you can get a plate for the Kensington dock to attach to a VESA mount either in use or idle to hang it off a display.
Granted I could just use a USB-C port on the side of the MBP but they put ports on the front of these docks for a reason...
The larger point, is that there's no real reason other docks have to be in a horizontal orientation. Who knows. Maybe a dock stand is the next great kickstarter!
I'm going to velcro the ports I may want to use to the back of my monitor? Granted ethernet and my monitor cables don't change much but occasionally I do want to plug in a drive. I'm not a big fan of the iMac having all of its ports on the back either.
Velcro.CalDigit TS-3 is nice in that it's the only dock you can stand on it's side to save some desk space.Also, you can get a plate for the Kensington dock to attach to a VESA mount either in use or idle to hang it off a display.
Granted I could just use a USB-C port on the side of the MBP but they put ports on the front of these docks for a reason...